What is the pathway of specialty training after MRCP MRCS etc or job opportunities following these exams for an International Medical Graduate (IMG)? How will a doctor at that stage join in the specialty training pathway in the UK or even the workforce in the NHS?

These are very commonly asked questions and also very commonly we see people comparing between PLAB vs MRCP MRCS. Yes, a comparison can be made between the two exams based on the level of difficulty, cost etc but the final deciding factor should also involve knowing how your career afterwards will take shape.

The idea of ‘competency’ based specialty training for doctors

Competency

1. the ability to do something successfully or efficiently.
“This course will improve the competence of doctors”

From the beginning of pre-school to our final exam in medical school, more often than not, our ability to successfully complete a stage had been dependent on exams and assessments. For example, a student of a medical school has a curriculum (set by the authority who runs medical education in that country) and following that, a syllabus is made by the teachers involved who imparts the necessary education for that student to pass the relevant exams.

There could be provision of mini-assessments in the form of written or oral exams which finally lead to the final medical exam at the end of their program which awards them the diploma. Almost exactly the same notion applies to doctor’s specialty training in the UK.

  1. Training Curriculum: It is made by the faculties / Royal Colleges of that specific speciality.
  2. Teachers: The deaneries / Local Education Training Boards (LETBs) make sure that a trainee follows that curriculum. They appoint educational supervisors, they arrange for training days liaising with individual post-graduate medical education centres (PGMC) in all the trusts. The Royal College/Faculties also appoints ‘College Tutors’ who overview the training progression of a trainee.
  3. School / Institution: National Health Service (NHS) is your place of work, it is also your place to train. The deaneries have fixed number of posts within the NHS to allocate to their trainees. The rest of the posts are filled by the individual trusts with trust-grade/non-training doctors.

So, you see, a core surgical trainee, or an internal medicine trainee or a respiratory medicine trainee or WHICHEVER trainee has a curriculum to go through. That curriculum consists of different competencies.

What are these ‘core competencies’?

The competences are called core competencies because this is for ‘core level training’. You must already know what a core level training is for an uncoupled specialty. If you don’t, keep reading.

To give an example of competencies, for internal medicine training:

  • Delivering effective resuscitation and managing the acutely deteriorating patient
  • Communicates effectively and is able to share decision making, while maintaining appropriate situational awareness, professional behaviour and professional judgement

Now how will a trainee prove that they can do these? by doing supervised learning events.

You can find the internal medicine training curriculum here and also find the core surgical training curriculum here.

As mentioned already these competencies are part of the curriculum made by the relevant Royal College or faculties. To get into any uncoupled specialty training bypassing their formal core level training, you HAVE to show proof that you, in some other way (non-training or non-UK work) has already achieved those competencies. This is the big target.

There is always an ‘Alternative Core Competencies Certificate’ for a core level training which need to be signed by the authorised signatories if you want to bypass going through a formal core level training.

Say for example, you have already completed MRCP and you want to join cardiology training. So you either have to go through 3 years of Internal Medicine Training (formal core level training for cardiology) OR get an ‘Alternative Core Competencies Certificate’ signed if you fulfill all the criteria mentioned there.

Find alternative core competence certificate for medical specialities here and for surgical specialities here.

A brief idea about a doctor’s training pathway in the UK

Here it is. If it is still a bit confusing about uncoupled, core level training etc. watch this video which will give you a refresher on how the whole training pathway for doctors in the UK is structured.

How to achieve an alternative certificate of core competencies?

Passing the Membership exam (if you have not already)

You can’t dream to get a alternative core competencies signed without completing the specialty related membership exam first.

Having a look the alternative core competence certificate

Just by reading the certificate, you will have an idea whether the years of your clinical work have obtained those competencies or not. You may find you haven’t done many things just because the healthcare infrastructure is different. In that case, it will not be believable if you get it signed with your non-UK work.

Getting into a non-training job in the UK

After you have obtained GMC registration, the next target would be starting in a non-training job in the UK to fill those gaps in competencies and eventually try to get into training. And you fill those gaps in your competencies by doing supervised learning events and WPBAs as mentioned in the video above.

Maintaining an e-portfolio

Like trainees, as a non-trainee doctor you can maintain your own e-portfolio as well and gather the evidences of your education and progression. But, for you, it will help you prove your alternative core competencies instead of finishing a formal training.

Audits and Quality Improvement Project

Involvement in clinical audits and quality improvement is also a major part of your core competencies.

Leadership and Teamworking

Courses and workshops about leadership and teamworking also helps you in this cause.

Attend specialty relevant training courses

For surgical trainees courses like basic surgical skills, Care of the critically ill surgical patients are almost mandatory to complete.

Having clear communication with your supervising consultant

The whole thing of getting your alternative core competence certificate is done informally. That means no royal college or PGME will be asking your supervising consultant to sign this for you, YOU will have to. So having a good channel of communication with your supervising consultant is very necessary.

Level of jobs after completing membership exams (MRCP/MRCS)

Now as I said in the point number #3, getting into a non-training job is your entrance into the NHS. Which posts are more preferable as a job after MRCP MRCS?

Let’s first talk about the level of jobs and what they all mean. There are 3 levels of doctors in the NHS:

  • Junior grade
  • Middle grade
  • Consultant/Senior grade

By definition, the doctors who finishes core level training and passes membership exam i.e after MRCP MRCS – they are regarded as middle grade, the specialty registrars. But for an IMG without any NHS work experience taking up that responsibility straight away can be daunting and very easy way to get dissatisfied and god forbid in trouble as well.

Our honest opinion is that, it’s always better to start as a junior grade if you don’t have any prior NHS experience, even if you’re experienced back home or have completed a post graduate qualification. You can always apply for a middle grade post after working as a junior grade for a few months.

What about other specialties membership and fellowship exams?

Unlike most medical and surgical specialties where specialty training is after MRCP MRCS, many other membership and fellowship exams are not the midway between being a registrar and consultant. Some of them are in between intermediate and higher level training during the specialty training, some of them are in between specialty and sub-specialty training.

OBGYN Training Pathway

Please check GMC Approved Post Graduate Curricula to check the pathway and exams to be taken for your desired specialty.

So if you come to the UK completing a fellowship exam like FRCA (for anaesthetics) or FRCR (for clinical radiology) or a higher trainee exams like MRCOG (all parts), MRCPCH (all parts) etc you can find yourself in a tricky situation. From qualifications point of view, you are as equivalent as a senior registrar or a consultant but from NHS experience point of view, you have none.

For doctors like these, starting a formal training pathway can prove to be a drag or even impossible due to entry criteria restriction (overqualification in some specialties). So what would they do?

They can either look for long term SAS grade (Specialty & Associate Specialist), which is a trust grade senior doctor level post or take CESR (Certificate of Eligibility of Specialist Registration) route working in the NHS in a non-training fashion. Bottom-line, the doors will not be closed for you.

Frequently Asked Questions

14 thoughts on “Specialty Training or NHS job after MRCP MRCS”

  1. Hi Sir. Thanks for the discussions. I’m from Myanmar. I have completed MBBS and MMedSc (General Surgery). [MMedSc, Master of Medical Science, is a 3 years Post Graduate training]. I am now on the way of MRCS. After completing MRCS, can I get a job in surgical speciality in UK? If so, from which level I’m eligible to enter? ST3 or CT? Your answers are greatly appreciated.

  2. First of all, thank you so much for all the guidance. I’m binging your videos on Youtube to know more abt UK health care system.

    I’m a Intern right now. I’m planning for PG in India itself. After completing PG in India and after passing MRCP, can I get into Speciality Training in UK? And if not at ST level than at which level am I eligible to enter the system?

    Thank you.

    1. As explained in this video – Competencies and person specifications you will require mandatory competencies signed off before you can apply for any training level. Just passing an exam DOES NOT make you competent. It is unlikely that you will do everything a UK trainee does in your PG in India, so you might need to start off as a non-trainee doctor first to test the waters and work towards getting those competencies signed and building a solid portfolio to give you a competitive edge in your training application.

      As for non training job level please refer to this article – How to find a Job in the NHS

    1. MRCS is membership exam for Royal college of Surgeons and MRCP for physicians. One is not in any way dependent on another. Do you want a career in surgical specialties? – take MRCS. For medical specialties take MRCP.

  3. Tamoghna Banerjee

    If someone provides part of the evidence required in the Alternative Certificate of Core Competence signed from a Consultant in his/her home country, will it be acceptable evidence for a UK Consultant to sign off that part of the Certificate as a form of indirect observation or second hand evidence?

    Your blogrolls are a blessing to IMGs.
    Love from Calcutta, India.

  4. Hi my name is Anzy, I am from India, I have completed mbbs and internship by 2013 . But was working for 5 years . I don’t have a post graduate degree. Should I need to do 2 years of foundation training in uk or directly can I enter core training. Please provide me the information.

    1. Your first target is getting GMC registration. If you take a PG exam like MRCP/MRCS to get GMC registration then going for UKFPO foundation training does not make sense (you will not be eligible either).. You can start off as a non-training doctor and make yourself eligible to apply for core training and go on from there.

      If you intend to take PLAB, then take this Free course –A Beginner’s Guide to PLAB.

  5. I am studying for MRCP and also working as a GP in a private hospital in Pakistan. Will that experience will be counted as a clinical experience?

      1. I was just concerned that my experience in a small hospital as a GP ( more like a private practice ) mighy not be accepted as a clinical experience

        1. There is no “unaccepted” work. If you have worked clinically, you have worked clinically. But as I said, you non uk clinical work will NOT reduce any time of of UK training.

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